what's interesting is i'm surprised how defensive the white house hanover the last two years on this issue. to your point, what the republicans are trying to do, i suspect, is drag this along, continue the conversation and force president obama into a lame duck session where he's going to be much more weakened going into his second term. >> david you say no labels. now your role as private citizen is to say the fact we turn to the labels of partisanship is the problem. >> it is. we need to promote progress over partisanship, results over rhetoric. we have to recognize the american people are ahead of elected officials. they know we have a problem. they can accept the truth. look, the republicans adopted the no budget no pay as a bumper sticker. it's not the proposal that no labels advocated. the reason they did it was to force the senate to have a budget. for the first time in four years, a proposal from the president and the republicans in the house and a proposal from the democrats in the senate. hopefully we can get on discussions about a grand bargain. >> pause for me in case folks hav